Logis Hôtel la Ferme du Vert

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Very pleasant stay

We have been staying at the hotel since it opened in the 90s and have always loved visiting. After it was sold, we visited and were disappointed as the welcoming atmosphere was not there.... but now it is back to it's lovely self with welcoming staff etc. All rooms are individual and lovely, and the restaurant is great. Bar area could do with a bit of a revamp to fit in with the style of the rest of the hotel. Breakfast excellent.

A regular overnight spot for dinner and accommodation. Can't fault it. The breakfast is particularly good. 5 star all round.

Lovely stay with excellent food. We’ll be back!

This is a beautiful setting for a stop over hotel, particularly nice sitting having a beer in the courtyard. Bathrooms are modern and good. Bed is large, comfortable and two pillows appreciated. Friendly welcome. 3 areas that could be improved. First is that sign shows that no cars are allowed in courtyard. However tucked away in courtyard, behind bushes was a disabled parking sign. There should be a sign indicating that disabled patrons can used courtyard. Although rooms were nice, the lack of soundproofing was not. We stayed in room 3 and could not just here flushing loos, but also what came before it of guests in the other rooms. Finally, having stayed in 5+ different Logis hotels and eaten in numerous more, it was the worst meal we have had. It was perfectly edible but lacked the delicacy and finesse of other meals we have had in France. Sorry this hotel is not for us

Very pleasant stay. Very quiet, comfortable, and very clean hotel. Staff very attentive to your well-being, always very friendly and very dynamic. Delicious and very complete breakfasts. Excellent meals at the restaurant. We recommend this establishment and will return with great pleasure for another stay.

Very warm welcome and very calm environment: a real pleasure!

Excellent stay, quiet location, ideally located for exploring the Opal Coast and its legendary sites.

We love this hotel and we've stayed many times now. Both as a staging post to and from car journeys through France and for short breaks across the channel. It's always a lovely experience. This time a short break with 7 other people who had never been before and they will also all be back in the future.

Very quiet establishment, perfect welcome and services. Quality food. Pure bliss...

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Een hotel gelegen te midden van het groen en in een zeer rustige omgeving. Geen super-de-luxe maar goed uitgeruste kamer met alles wat nodig is voor een goed verblijf. Prijs-kwaliteitverhouding is perfect. Toegewijd personeel dat zich inspant voor een aangenaam verblijf van de gasten.

A very pleasant moment and a little corner of paradise

Very nice location, friendly welcome and it is definitely recommended to reserve a table for dinner.

It is a superb Hotel - immaculate and attactive in and out, lovely food and really helpful and friendly staff wit lovely cats and ducks.

Perfect 👍: welcome, bedding, great peace and quiet, restaurant, very beautiful building. Don't miss it.

It's a little corner of paradise, an enchanted interlude where absolute calm reigns. The room, both spacious and cozy, was a true cocoon of comfort. But it was the warmth and kindness of the hosts that made our stay unforgettable. We left feeling peaceful and with hearts filled with gratitude. A big thank you for this exceptional interlude; we recommend this place without hesitation.

Very nice hotel

Excellent establishment, renewed pleasure with each visit!

Excellent venue, wonderful service. Lovely evening meal.

A beautiful establishment in a haven of peace, serenity, and greenery to disconnect from civilization. A thank you to the owner for her dedication.

Perfect in every way

Very friendly welcome, good bed, lovely dinner (very swift for a somewhat slower eater :)), lovely green garden

We highly recommend this place in a beautiful setting. In addition to the accommodation, there is a very good restaurant, a bar, and outdoor seating to enjoy the scenery...

Beautiful property and superb hosts. Some of the rooms could do with modernising but comfortable and clean

Superb: very nice room, delicious meal, warm welcome!!!

2nd visit, love the room we have, love the ambience, love the food. Good value for money too

Thanks to the whole team for the hospitality! We enjoyed our stay and the great friendliness of the staff.

Excellent, helpful, staff (who found my charging lead and made arrangements for its safe return). Wonderful food in the restaurant. Such a convenient stop either to or from the Tunnel. This was our third trip - we shall return.

This is one of the best hotels you can imagine. If you like high quality service, comfort, tranquillity, and high quality food. The young chef in the restaurant is on his way to the top.

Very welcoming staff. Top-notch restaurant. Cleanliness of the premises.

Lovely rural location, great welcome, nice room, good restaurant with great service. What's not to like?.

Very good table and very good bedding, faultless!

Not suitable for less mobile people, the rooms are located above the dining room and only accessible by high stairs. No closet to hang your clothes. The restaurant has only three main meals, if you stay longer than three days there is no choice menu. Always the same vegetables and snacks, no variety. The towels smell of frying fat.

This logis is an oasis of calm, hospitality, and superb food.

We are delighted with our stay at La Ferme du Vert! The welcome was warm and authentic, the rooms are spacious and comfortable, especially the suite, ideal for our two children. The big plus is the on-site restaurant where the service and dishes are excellent. I highly recommend this establishment!

Very pleasant, I recommend

A lovely hotel but we were unimpressed with paper cups in the bedrooms. Paper cups did not match the standard of accommodation.

A comfortable and welcoming hotel with good food and service. The breakfast particularly good. No complaints.

Very beautiful setting but very disappointing room! No charm or cocooning. No comfort, not fresh, everything needs a serious refresh! No holder for bath towels, "small living room" composed of two armchairs all faded and stained without any comfort. No mattress protector, the bed sheet is just placed directly on the mattress! The desk furniture was full of dust as well as the shelves used for storing clothes. Nothing makes you want to enjoy the room. Really a shame because the staff is very welcoming, friendly and smiling. The service and the cuisine of the restaurant are also very appreciable.

Internet was ontoereikend. Verder alles goed.

Very warm welcome and very helpful staff. Quality catering complemented by careful presentation.

Our wedding in 2024, our 1 year wedding anniversary in 2025 too!! Everything was perfect, the welcome, the service, the rooms, the restaurant... a haven of peace and tranquility... a suspended moment... thank you Clemence and her team... see you soon

Very pleasant stay in a calm and relaxing place.....Close to Wissant...Cap Blanc Nez and Gris Nez

friendly welcome, impeccable restaurant. à la carte or set menu.

Very pleasant and helpful manager.

We have been staying at Ferme du Vert almost every year for the past thirty years and always love our weekends there

We have made staying at La Ferme du Vert an Annual trip for my Partner’s Birthday. We both love it!
Proprietor so welcoming and is a smashing competent girl.
We love the
atmosphere and understated elegance.
Breakfast is really beautifully presented with everything possible available..
All very fresh, delicious and plentiful!
The Courtyard and surroundings very peaceful and slightly off the beaten track.
We highly recommend..
Restaurant for lunch or dinner a real treat.. artistic and creative…a .top notch presentation of delicious food with excellent service..
Very easy to reach from Le Shuttle.
It is a serene and peaceful retreat for a few days or for a long weekend.

Our stay at La Ferme du Vert was very relaxing. We received a warm welcome and assistance with all our needs. Dinner and breakfast were delicious and plentiful. Our room was spacious and very clean. The bed was cosy and warm. I would definitely stay again at this hotel and recommend it to my family and friends.

A quiet hotel where we had a great time! The room was tastefully decorated and the welcome was very friendly. Our only regret is not having stayed another night to enjoy the garden and surroundings a little longer. The restaurant is excellent; you can go there with your eyes closed.

I came here to find some calm combined with good food and was overall very satisfied with my stay

This is a fabulous little hotel with amazing staff ! Clemence is simply one in a million - nothing is too much. We felt at home and utterly looked after.
The food is amazing. Can’t fault a thing

If you are looking for a place where serenity reigns and where you are welcomed, this is the place for you.

Excellent to relax!

Nothing to complain about, everything is perfect.

A pleasant stay, an exemplary welcome, requests taken into account. Attentive staff. A brilliant owner, always smiling and caring. A top-notch restaurant, and they took my allergies into account. And we ate well there. And a very good breakfast, with savory and sweet dishes, and the cheese was delicious.

We had a very pleasant stay. Everyone is very welcoming. And the restaurant, a real delight of flavors. Thank you.

Friendly welcome. Good stay in terms of food and accommodation.

Delighted with this stay! Very warm welcome, peaceful and relaxing place!

A very warm welcome from the staff upon our arrival. Very comfortable room. Restaurant worthy of a Michelin-starred restaurant. A huge thank you to Clémence for her kindness and friendliness. We will definitely return. Mr. Hasselt

Peace and quiet and ample free parking. At the restaurant, the quality of the products and the preparation of the dishes were very good. On the other hand, the choice of menus and the à la carte dishes are minimalist! For one or two days it's fine but not longer

Quiet hotel, welcoming and friendly staff, top restaurant, highly recommended!

Very friendly welcome. Very good food.

Overall, the accommodation was very nice. The only downside was our room, which was almost impossible to heat and very poorly insulated, both thermally and acoustically. On the other hand, the restaurant and breakfast were very good!

A very comfortable hotel with welcoming staff and an excellent restaurant

This place is so good that I don't want everyone to know. Clemency is a wonderful host.

Pleasant setting, warm welcome with a smile, very good quality food, breakfast also very good with very good products, address noted in favorites

This is the best hotel in the area. And super kindly personal. Just perfect for us. Great restaurant.

Very disappointing - We have been coming here over the years. No Christmas lights or tree. Very sparse bar area - not allowed a bottle in our room. Cold unwelcoming restaurant. Very offhand waitress who never smiled or engaged with us. She threw some newspaper at fire which of course didn't light. Didn't even bother to come out to say goodnight when we left. Nice food both at breakfast & in the evening. Lovely large room but smaller room had to be changed because of a nasty smell therefore new room was cold. All in all this lovely logis lacks the former warmth and welcoming atmosphere that kept us coming back.

We have been staying at the Ferme du Vert for several years, before it linked up with Logis. It is a most beautiful place and, like all large historic buildings, requires an owner who is very dedicated to the building and its immediate surroundings but also a very welcoming hostess. This is very much the case now! It was a delight for us to be able to spend a night again there as well as to enjoy an excellent dinner in its restaurant with highly original dishes.

I've stayed at this hotel many times and always had a lovely time. Accommodation is quite basic, paper cups with the kettle, very basic sachets. The experience however is always great but at very little cost they could improve it massively

Our second visit did not disappoint. The evening meals were superb. Great reception always here. We'll be back soon.

Very good but open the possibility for stopover evenings to change dishes on the menu with a supplement.

Perfect stay! Great welcome, large and comfortable room, tastefully decorated establishment, excellent restaurant. Unbeatable value for money for a stopover. I will come back with pleasure.

A fabulous meal with a comfortable room to collapse in afterwards... and friendly professional staff.

Nice hotel

In the middle of nature, no big luxury..but warm hospitality, good restaurant with honest prices.. We recommend!

The staff and food were amazing, however the room was cold (it's November) and moldy which created a very strong smell in our room. The bed was not that comfortable.

A warm and attentive welcome. One thing to complain about is the lack of electrical outlets, none available, forced to unplug the TV or a bedside lamp to charge your phone.

Some things in our room needed attention (eg MDF for "curtains" to put up daily)

Excellent hotel with a spectacular restaurant. Thoroughly recommended.

A wonderful, family run farmhouse hotel. Great location for Boulogne, charming, welcoming staff and great rooms with all facilities + a very good restaurant. This was our 4th visit!

Friendly welcome and buildings overall give a good first impression. Staff helpful.

A bit disappointed there was no option to purchase a 50cl carafe of wine with our meal. A bottle was too much askew were both making an early start on motorcycles the next morning. We also felt that the maitre de was in too much of a rush. She would benefit by taking things a little more calmly.

We have known and loved this hotel for almost 40 years. The new owners have made sure that the character and charm have been retained and they did everything to accommodate our needs and make our stay as pleasant as always. Excellent restaurant.

first class establishment.........................excellent accommodation..............friendly staff ................superb restaurant.................it is a pleasure to stay at this hotel

Beautiful place in a natural setting. Warm welcome. Sublime restaurant offering mouth-watering dishes.

Room does not reflect the pictures on the website. Country room needs renovation. Toiletdoor missing paint, shower head of poor quality and loose on the shower rail. Problem with flies in the room. Very poor amenities. 1 small bottle of water for 2 people and 2 nights. Same for shower gel.

great food amazing staff and great location. lovely friendly dog too.

Our fourth stay at this hotel and, once again, we are impressed. The staff are very welcoming, friendly and professional. The hotel rooms are well equipped, comfortable and clean. The hotel is in the countryside and is very quiet but is also close to the Channel ports and the coast.

such a warm welcome, with such nice people that we will return with great pleasure to this hotel. we appreciated this calm of the place and also a parking lot made available, A room of a very unexpected charm, and calm. We say THANK YOU for your very generous welcome and Thank you for this dedicated staff, we will come back :) isa A. and Thierry

Only complaint would be that there was no milk in the room for tea/coffee and no proper cups. Other than that it was perfect.

Very welcoming, easy to find and quiet.

A lovely quiet location outside the village with working farms all around. Beautiful old house with pleasant gardens in which to walk, and an entertaining duck pond. The reception was warmly professional and staff were incredibly helpful and good-humoured. Food was excellent in the restaurant and the breakfast had everything we wanted. Will definitely return.

We have stayed at La Ferme du Vert on many occasions and always have an excellent experience. The accommodation, food and service are always excellent. They go above and beyond to ensure you have a great stay.

Peaceful and beautiful hotel with a great restaurant.

Lovely people, attentive. Beautiful surroundings, peaceful and relaxing.

Excellent service.

A fabulous place to stay set around a beautiful courtyard with ducks and chickens roaming freely. We enjoyed drinks in the late sunshine and then inside in the bar. The staff were very friendly and helpful. Being vegetarian there was nothing on the menu that we could eat, however we were told that we could have requested a vegetarian option at the time of booking but by the time we were told that it was too late! It was disappointing to find only instant coffee sachets and paper cups in the room - luckily we had some good quality coffee bags and asked for 'proper' cups.

Very beautiful place in the countryside. The comfort of the rooms and quality cuisine. I highly recommend

Lovely hotel. Friendly staff. Huge comfortable room and bathroom with bathtub. Extremely nice restaurant. Short but fab menu. 38E three course set menu good value. And so nice they charge modestly for a bottle of wine.

Charming, comfortable, clean, welcoming, friendly woukd stay again

Always a great time spent at the Ferme du Vert! Delicious restaurant, Clémence attentive, very comfortable rooms! A refreshing place! And we love the welcome from the furry friends ;)

Just as good as ever

Very nice place and great listening from the team

Very pleasant stay, environment, decoration, atmosphere, quality of welcome and products

Fantastic stay in a beautiful hotel. Dinner and Breakfast were delicious and our family room was great. Lots of room and a large bathroom.

Exzellent, Nixe and codx

A beautiful place to stay, just 20 minutes from Calais and close to lovely seaside towns such as Wisant and Wimereux. We enjoyed a very peaceful overnight stay with dinner in the hotel restaurant. The only negative was the presence of very vicious mosquitoes in our bedroom which greatly interrupted our night's sleep and meant we had to endure a warm night with the window firmly closed, shrouded in the bedsheets for protection. However, this would not stop us from returning (with some plug-in mosquito deterrent!) and the hotel represents excellent value for money in a really lovely location. The staff were all helpful, warm and friendly.

We chose this accommodation based on its location in relation to the estate where we had a wedding. The welcome went very well, the staff is very kind and very professional. We were accompanied to our room (No. 5) and we were very satisfied overall. The only downside, and not the least, was the bedding. I think it needs to be reviewed for this room! The breakfast was perfect, with a variety of fresh and local products available. Thank you for the welcome and good luck to you.

Also enjoy the restaurant…

Excellent stay, very relaxing, simple and very professional welcome, charming establishment, room that met our expectations, exceptional restaurant. To recommend and to do again for us without hesitation.

I knew this hotel before it changed owners. The welcome is always so pleasant.

Very nice quiet place with welcoming and kind staff. Also excellent quality restaurant and very good wine.

very quiet place and super welcoming and friendly staff

Idyllic stay….perfect….welcome, service and environment at the top. Restaurant and breakfast quantity and quality. I highly recommend this establishment. Thank you very much to all the team.

Always excellent, very friendly, we will be back

The food in the restaurant is stunning. It's worth staying at this hotel just for that. Beautiful and peaceful surroundings. Our room felt a bit old and dark, and the mattress wasn't great. The toilet in our room was uncomfortably small. However, service, breakfast and dinner make up for everything.

Beautiful hotel nestled in the greenery in a quiet area. We came by motorbike and the hotel offered to put our motorbike in a garage 👍. Thank you for this attention. The menu at the restaurant is very qualitative. We enjoyed ourselves, from the appetizer to the dessert. The waiters are very attentive. The breakfast is correct. And the waitress is very smiling. The room: large bed and good bedding (mattress and pillows). Italian shower - so great service. We slept really well. Very relaxing

Very pleasant stay

The staff is very welcoming and attentive. Very complete breakfast, the restaurant has a fairly brief menu but of very good quality and a very careful cuisine and service. Good location in the middle of the Opal Coast close to everything without the disadvantages of places closer to the coast. Thank you for your good care.

Wonderful location, friendly staff/team, amazing restaurant/menu.

Everything was perfect, the establishment, the welcome, the food... We will come back without any hesitation, to do again

Super good and easy to use, it's perfect

Very nice hotel, lots of charm. A great welcome and pleasant and efficient staff. Very quiet and quality bedding. The catering is at the top

Everything was wonderful! Thank you

Lovely location, peaceful and picturesque!

Lovely staff! Delicious dinner!

Magnificent environment surrounded by nature and great calm.

Comfort, gastronomy, calm and serenity. Discreet and efficient welcome and services Very very good

Lovely hotel, comfortable rooms, great staff. Excellent breakfast and dinner

We loved our stay. Both for the welcome and for the environment. Everything was perfect, attentive staff, very pretty room, great setting, calm, tranquility... in short, I recommend without hesitation!

4th time and still the same pleasure

Overall it's good, I think that for the price, the rooms must be equipped with air conditioning. Plus a handle would help older people like us get in and out of the tub. For the rest we are satisfied with our night. Welcome and have a good lunch.

Warm welcome, site nestled in nature, a downside for the very hot room, lack of ventilation and mosquitoes. But maybe due to special weather?

Very nice place that we recommend.

Superb setting in a pretty restored farmhouse. Top services restaurant, bar, possibility of small hot drinks in the rooms. Large bedroom with small living room, bathroom with bathtub and rain shower. Restaurant with large fireplace in the center and terrace with real work of really interesting and excellent products. The only negative points are the sound insulation between the rooms not great and the maintenance of the equipment in the rooms (no pressure on the shower, toilet seat not holding, maintenance of certain paintings) as well as a lack of socket current when you have a lot of devices to plug in, it's a bit tight. But this remains detail about my entire stay on the site.

VERY GOOD STAY EXCELLENT MEAL PERFECT BREAKFAST VERY VERY GOOD WELCOME

Nice welcome Very friendly

Great discovery.

Excellent I recommend

Superb as always, such a lovely place to stay, close to Calais and Boulogne for a weekend away in the French countryside or for a nights stay at the beginning or end of a driving holiday to the South of France which is how we used it this time.

Excellent

We have stayed here on and off for 20 years. It gets better and better. Great restaurant, lovely room, really nice staff. Highly recommended!

Prettig verblijf, al meerdere keren in dit hotel geslapen en gegeten. 1 klein minpuntje is dat de katten ook af en toe binnen zijn. Zelf heb ik een allergie en zou dit graag anders zien. Overigens komen de dieren niet in het hotel maar in de algemene ruimte en de bar.

great address from every point of view

Great hotel accommodation. The dinner menu seemed a bit 'spare' though. But a wonderful breakfast. There'll be a return visit next time I travel to France.

For more than 20 years we have been coming to stay at La Ferme du Vert with the greatest pleasure!

An evening stopover as I like them, quality of welcome, (gastronomic) catering, room comfort..... Superb address with very good value for money.

Good morning. The room was very good. The hotel is very comfortable, with character. The staff was very friendly with a great sense of service.

So convenient for an overnight stop on our way from UK to Normandy, in a quiet spot, yet very convenient for the highway.

very warm welcome, very beautiful living environment, quality breakfast, special mention for the dog as well as the cats (adorable) who make us smile

This is a lovely hotel, with an excellent, friendly team. The beds are super comfortable, and the breakfast and dinner very good indeed.

Very pleasant welcome. The manager was able to adapt to our requests and was very attentive. Some inconveniences in the bathroom (door jamming, humidity, shower door not airtight) but otherwise great! I highly recommend.

A welcoming team, an exceptional site, a restaurant which offers you a small but varied menu, with fresh products of very high quality both visually and in taste, in short, an essential stopover if you visit the region and want to discover kindness people from this region!

Great atmosphere, very welcoming. A very nice place that I recommend.

Very pretty, relaxed hotel in the countryside, ideally situated for the Channel Tunnel (30 mins) or for touring the pretty Cote Opale region. Comfortable clean bedrooms with good beds and showers. Simple well executed dinners and very good breakfasts in the very pretty breakfast room. Ample parking. There are pretty gardens, so it would be nice to see more made of these with seating outside etc.

This is a beautiful hotel in a really peaceful location. The reception and all the staff are so friendly and helpful. The rooms are clean and well maintained, although one English language channel on the TV would be nice. The quality of the breakfast is as good as it gets, the breads from the local bakery are amazing. The restaurant is modern in contrast with the traditional feel of the hotel and the food is of a good standard. The choice is adequate but limited. This is our second visit and we will definitely be returning.

Leuk dat ikn mijn oldtimer wagen uitzonderlijk op binnenkoer mocht parkeren! top

Love this hotel. Its simplicity and understated sophistication perfect for myself and my partner. Breakfast plentiful and delicious and restaurant excellent.
Peaceful and a real retreat in the French countryside, and only 20 mins from Channel tunnel! Clémence is an excellent and very professional manager. Nothing too much trouble and attention to detail 2nd to none.

Real calm! Very warm welcome Gourmet restaurant. spacious and clean room: quick access to Boulogne..very good value for money evening stopover for professionals

Very good address

Beautiful establishment with a team attentive to the customer

A very good find as far as we are concerned. Have stayed about five times. We have a dog and the hotel has a couple of dog friendly rooms. We are always made very welcome and a wonderful dinner is waiting for us. Car parking is safe. Only around 20 minutes from Eurotunnel.

It's not the first time that we've stayed at the Ferme du Vert, and it's always a good, quiet time, in the countryside, a warm welcome, everything is done to ensure that we have a good time ! we feel good at the Ferme du Vert! We would particularly like to thank the site manager who is a wonderful person! she is really caring towards her customers! Well done !

A fabulous meal and breakfast.

Very warm welcome, excellent restaurant

Had a very enjoyable stay

Excellent as always

Spacious, clean room. Warm and pleasant welcome. Good quality restaurant. I recommend this establishment.

The attentive staff, the pleasant and very well appointed rooms, the high quality restaurant and the incredibly charming garden! See you soon !

Always a warm welcome at La Ferme du Vert. Fabulous location, quality accommodation and service and an excellent restaurant.

Totally recommended to everyone

A really pleasant, calm, warm place. With quality staff. Close to Boulogne sur mer while being in the countryside. Really ideal

A break so pleasant that all points welcome comfort and quality of the restaurant

As a long-time customer, I find that the welcome is always as warm, and in continuity with the previous owner. Hotel and table always there in a magnificent countryside. fresh and local products perfectly cooked, and a generous, gourmet plate. Cheese lovers, next door “La Ferme du Vert” will take you on a taste journey of wonderful cheeses. A beautiful address!!!

Always a warm welcome, clean and comfortable room, excellent dinner and a hearty breakfast.

Perfect 👍🏼

Absolutely wonderful!

This Logis is one of our favorites. We are never disappointed. We have probably stayed there at least 7 times. Also with the previous owner Thomas. We are usually in vintage cars before we take part in a local car rally.

Boutique hotel in a lovely rural setting

Excellent welcome and quality cuisine

An artist is hiding in the kitchen... Bravo...!

We have been using Ferme de Verte for over 40 years and it continues to get even better, now reaching a truly excellent standard of accommodation and gastronomy.

Excellent address both in hotels and restaurants

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I highly recommend. Very good stay.

An excellent evening stopover

An excellent few days in a comfortable hotel with good food served in dining room with an open fire - what's not to like?

Very nice and quiet place. Very warm welcome.

Everything was top notch! For a salesperson this is very reassuring and comforting.

Very relaxed, unpretentious and comfortable.Excellent food and wine.

This is an excellent hotel with a very good restaurant.
The owner was welcoming and we could not have had a better stay.

This hotel is lovely, rooms tidy and accessible. Despite the sign you may unload your cases from the car in the courtyard before parking in car park across the road. The food was good and the menu laid out well. It's a very quiet and peaceful place, though you would need to follow a map or GPS utility to find it.

Perfect, nothing to say.